| 5. | Marguerite Brien dit Desrochers was born on 27 Feb 1797 in L'Assomption, Quebec, CANADA; was christened on 28 Feb 1797 in L'Assomption, Quebec, CANADA. Notes:
Adoptive parents: "Marguerite's foster father would be Jean-Baptiste-André Brien married to Marie Perreault"
Marguerite Brien aka Desrochers
Born [date unknown] [location unknown]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of Joseph Marie Turcotte — married 12 Jan 1813 in L'Assomption, Québec, Canadamap
Descendants descendants
Mother of Marie Justine Turcotte and Virginie (Turcotte) Fleury
Died after 5 Oct 1849 [location unknown]
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Marguerite Brien was adopted
Adoptive Parents Biological Parents
Father: Andre Jean Baptiste Brien Father: Unknown
Mother: Marie C Perrault Mother: Unknown
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1 Biography
2 Note
3 Note
4 Sources
Biography
She and Joseph lived in Grand Calumet in 1849 as noted on their son's marriage record.[1]
Note
PRDH notes her as born out of wedlock (Bourque-573 23:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC))
Marguerite Brien dit Desrochers This info came from a man in Petawawa who has also researched the Turcotte family. Marguerite, the wife of Joseph Turcotte, is something of a mystery. She was the foster daughter of Jean-Baptiste Andre Brien dit Desrochers and Marie-Louise Parent who did not have any natural children of their own. Marguerite is clearly recorded as "Marguerite alias Brien dite Desrochers" which means she was using their family name. Now usually in these old Catholic records names are scrupulously recorded but with family stories being common in several of her children's descendants, it would appear that Marguerite may have been an Indian who was fostered by the Brien dit Desrochers family in L'Assomption, Quebec. Later in her life she called herself "Marguerite Desrochers" and "Marguerite Durocher" and in one case "Marguerite Brien". So, unfortunately, there is no further information about her ancestry. I always make sure to record her name as Marguerite alias Brien dite Desrochers just the way she appears in the earliest records. [2]
Note
removed date of death as on verification, she and her husband have a last known child born in September 1835 in L'Assomption: Gilbert, so cannot have been deceased in 1832. There is also a marriage of their son Xavier (François Xavier, born 9 Jan 1820) in 1849 in Ste-Anne-du-Grand-Calumet mission, which lists both her and her husband as being residents of Grand-Calumet parish (Northwest of Ottawa near Campbell's Bay).
Date of birth needs verification, no baptism found for her on that date or close after.
Parents should be removed as all evidence shows they were foster parents, therefore not correct to have them listed there, they can be listed here in bio, Jean Baptiste André Brien dit Desrochers and Marie Louise Perrault (not Parent as noted above)
The following are the entries found for this marriage:
-Marriage 12 Jan 1813 in L'Assomption, she is listed as Marguerite dite Brien fille dans a...(illegible word) named for her, both cited as residing in that parish, witness for her is Jean Baptiste André Brien père nouricier, as well as another Brien listed as her friend.[3]
-baptism 2 June 1814 in St-Jacques-de-l'Achigan of son Joseph, born 1 June, she is listed as Marguerite Brien
-baptism 9 Jan 1820 in L'Assomption of son François Xavier, born same day, listed as Marguerite Brien
-birth and baptism 22 Oct 1822 in L'Assomption, son Nazaire, listed as Marguerite Brien
-birth and baptism 30 Jan 1824 in L'Assomption, daughter Marie Judith, listed as Marguerite Brien
-birth and baptism 23 Apr 1826 in L'Assomption, daughter Marie Justine, listed as Marguerite Desrochers
-birth 5 Oct baptism 6th Oct 1831 in St-Jacques-de-l'Achigan, son Bruno Urgel , listed as Marguerite Brien Derocher
-birth 7 Nov baptism 8 Nov 1833 in L'Assomption, daughter Émilie Virginie, listed as Marguerite Desrochers
-marriage 2 Mar 1835 in St-Jacques-de-l'Achigan of son Joseph with Marcelline Veine (Venne), listed as Marguerite Brien Desrochers
-birth and baptism 20 Sept 1835 in L'Assomption, son Gilbert, listed as Marguerite Brien
-birth 15 Aug and baptism 17 Sept 1840 in Buckingham (east of Ottawa), daughter Sophia, listed as Margret Brien (sic), they are listed as living in Grand-Calumet in that document (which was in English and not French)
-marriage 5 Oct 1849 in Ste-Anne-du-Grand-Calumet, son Xavier with Sophie St-Jean, listed as Marguerite Durocher, everybody resident of Grand-Calumet
In no document does she sign, she is unable to per evidence of her marriage record. So variations on her last name that was used are actually clerical. In most instances of these records, she was not even present, baptisms normally had father and godparents present only.
NOTE:In nosorigines she is listed as being 16 on her marriage and being born in l'Assomption Parrish - which makes sense because that's where her husband and adoptive father are from. It says on her marriage certificate that she was born 'sans aveu' it means that she was illegitimate (mother & father unknown, or usually not married). This would mean that she was born in 1797 and not 1790. There was no baptism of a girl on April 7, 1790 or for the next month. However, on February 28, 1797 a Marie-Marguerite (illegitimate) was baptized in l'Assomption. She is the only Marie-Marguerite (ill.) born that year. Her godparents where a married man and his sister-in-law: Pierre Lebegue 35(Lebrecque - Lesperance) and Marie Josette Janson-Neveu 47. Usually godparents are chosen from relatives. Had she been native - the term 'sauvagesse' would have been written on her marriage contract. Marie Petrin.
-No marriages of children of this couple after 1849 found in Quebec.
Sources
Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1997
↑ Drouin Genealogical Institute (membership required) [ https://www.genealogiequebec.com/Membership/LAFRANCE/acte/3960119 Son Xaviers marriage record] Her name was spelled Durocher
↑ source: e-mail - [email address removed]
↑ Drouin Genealogical Institute (needs subscription) [ https://www.genealogiequebec.com/Membership/LAFRANCE/acte/2208300 Marriage]
L'Assomption 1813-01-12 TURCOT, JOSEPH Sujet - Résidence : LASSOMPTION âge maj Ét. civ. célib. BRIEN, MARGUERITE Sujet - Résidence : LASSOMPTION Ét. civ. célib. TURCOT, JEAN BAPTISTE Père de l'époux - GAGNON, MARIE ADELAIDE Mère de l'époux -
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brien-150
A Marriage contract notarized by Mercier and Raymond of L’Assomption dated January 6th, 1813 likely held in the repository at Joliette. The contract was
an elaborate four-page document endorsed by two notaries.
Marguerite was identified as “De dix-
sept ans, fille naturelle et adoptif.”
The document lists the names of 33 persons who assembled for the occasion, including her entourage of 12 of her
friends. The dowry included a cash amount of 124 Pounds,
a chest of 24 drawers, bed and bedding, a double sideboard,
a milking cow, two female sheep, six hens and a cock by her
benefactor, and a sleigh and saddle by his parents. Plus, “le dite future epoux a donit doue le dite future epouse de la somme de six cent livres” translates as “said future husband endows said future wife with the sum of 600 pounds.”2
At that time, the Pound was the regular currency in Canada.
Clarification on the meaning of "fille naturelle" from many sources on French Canadian Genealogy:
Clarifying French Records
When searching for your aboriginal ancestry this
phrase may cause some confusion: “fille naturelle et
adoptive” translates as “illegitimate and adopted
daughter”. Naturelle means illegitimate, it does not
mean native.
Colette is one of our most valuable volunteer
researchers and often advises us on French issues.
Thanks Colette for clarifying this.
https://www.omfrc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/issue22-mar2011.pdf
Children:
- 2. Bruno Urgel Turcotte was born on 5 Oct 1831 in Saint-Jacques, Montcalm, Lower Canada (Quebec); died on 7 Jun 1915 in Haileybury, Ontario, Canada.
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1872 - 1949 (77 years)
